No.1 Flow Expert: How to Enter Deep Lock-In Mode

The Knowledge Project Podcast with Steven Kotler · · 1 hr 6 min

Flow researcher Steven Kotler joins The Knowledge Project to explain how to train flow states, from the 4% challenge rule to focus habits, and how surfing helped him recover from Lyme disease.

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The gist

  1. Kotler says returning to your primary flow activity, skiing in his case, for 2 to 4 hours a week makes flow easier at work and eases burnout.
  2. He sets tasks about 4% beyond current skills, writing 500 words a day when starting a book, or 300 when tired.

What they recommend · 10 picks

Productivity

5 picks · Steven Kotler ·Steven's productivity →

"We pay the most attention to the task at hand when the challenge of that task slightly exceeds our skill set. So, you want to stretch but not snap... what we discovered is if yo..."

"You have an awake and alert cycle. It's the exact same, like this 90 to 110 minutes long. Your brain is biologically designed to focus for 90-minute slots. So I always tell peop..."

"If you're outside of a bounded discipline, which is pretty much almost everything else other than like musical instruments and a couple other things, deliberate play outperforms..."

Health & fitness

3 picks · Steven Kotler and The Knowledge Project Podcast

"If you're really burnt out, doubling down on your primary flow activity is sort of the only way back... research shows that like two to four hours a week is about what it takes ..."

"When I'm starting a book, I like to write about 500 words a day. And so that's right in that 4% sweet spot for me... If I didn't get any sleep last night... I wouldn't ask mysel..."

Steven Kotler ·2 creators recommend it·Steven's health & fitness →

"She wrote me a prescription, doxycycline. And within 3 days, I just started feeling improvement."

Books

2 picks · Steven Kotler ·Steven's books →

"One of the things I will always have people I'm working with do is read a minimum of 25 pages a day, usually in a book. I think books are the best, cuz you have to stock the pat..."

3 creators recommend it

"I spend most of my time these days reading textbooks, cuz I think it's the ultimate edge. I love them cuz literally you have the best people in the world summarizing and putting..."

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West of Jesus · Steven Kotler's — Steven Kotler's book about surfing, his Lyme disease recovery, and ...

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