An 86-minute guide to finding PMF | Rob Snyder (Author, The Power of Pull)

Lenny's Podcast · · 1 hr 26 min

Rob Snyder, author of The Power of Pull, tells Lenny Rachitsky how founders can find product market fit by seeking buyers already stuck on an urgent project, rather than pushing a product on them.

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The gist

  1. Snyder says pull needs four things: a project on someone's to-do list, unavoidable now, a list of options, and limitations making those options fall short.
  2. He recommends finding ideas by doing customers' work firsthand, then testing a two-slide pull hypothesis and asking a Hail Mary question if interest is lukewarm.

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