Joe Rogan Experience #2578 - Calley Means
Calley Means, a former White House senior adviser who led MAHA implementation, tells Joe Rogan why he resigned. He argues that lobbyist-connected staff blocked popular health policies on food, pesticides, vapes and vaccines.
The gist
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Means says chief of staff Susie Wiles and allies tied to lobbying firms like Ballard Partners stalled MAHA policies to protect donor money for the midterms.
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Means says a glyphosate executive order and a Justice Department brief helped Bayer win liability protection, and that Trump called the ruling terrible.
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Means says staff pushed fruit-flavored vape approvals and a 20x looser kratom limit, while Rogan describes feeling intoxicated after taking 10 kratom capsules.
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Means says he quit after an ultra-processed food definition and school breakfast rules banning sugary pastries were stalled despite broad support.
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Citing the Federalist Papers, Means calls for a one-page constitutional amendment on money in politics, saying senators spend 90% of their time fundraising.
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"So, I take two of these little capsules. And I'm like, 'Hm, it's kind of interesting.' It does something. A little bit of a stimulant... So, I took 10... It wasn't affecting my ability to control my fine motor skills, but I was 100% in some way, shape, or form intoxicated."
▶ Play at 1:44:46"The founders, I've been reading the Federalist Papers, you know, I don't see what I'm saying as a pessimistic thing. America wasn't founded on idealism. The Federalist Papers are deeply skeptical of human nature."
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"The founders, I've been reading the Federalist Papers, you know, I don't see what I'm saying as a pessimistic thing. America wasn't founded on idealism. The Federalist Papers ar..."
"So, I take two of these little capsules. And I'm like, 'Hm, it's kind of interesting.' It does something. A little bit of a stimulant... So, I took 10... It wasn't affecting my ..."
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"The founders, I've been reading the Federalist Papers, you know, I don't see what I'm saying as a pessimistic thing. America wasn't founded on idealism. The Federalist Papers ar..."
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"So, I take two of these little capsules. And I'm like, 'Hm, it's kind of interesting.' It does something. A little bit of a stimulant... So, I took 10... It wasn't affecting my ..."
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