What Humans, Animals and Plants Tell Us About Consciousness | Michael Pollan

Andrew Huberman · · 2 hr 2 min

Andrew Huberman and Michael Pollan discuss where consciousness comes from, covering plants, animals, psychedelics, and the idea that feeling may matter more than thought.

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  1. Pollan argues consciousness likely starts in the brainstem as feeling, meaning animals without a cortex can still be conscious.
  2. Plants show signs of awareness by navigating mazes, responding to predator sounds, and reacting to anesthetics much like animals do.

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