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Anthropic's Super Bowl Ad: Who Won & Lost? | Sierra Hits $150M ARR: Is Customer Support Too Crowded?

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In this episode of 20VC, host Harry Stebbings brings together Mike Cannon-Brooks (Atlassian co-founder), Jason Lemkin (SaaS expert), and Rory O'Driscoll to debate whether the software industry is dead or thriving in the AI era. The discussion spans Anthropic's ambitious revenue projections, the crowded customer support market, Harvey's $11B valuation, and the Super Bowl ad war between Claude and ChatGPT, ultimately arguing that while consolidation is happening, product and engineering categories remain resilient and the total addressable market is expanding rather than contracting.

Key takeaways
  • TAM expansion, not zero-sum competition, will determine whether companies like Anthropic ($150B ARR projection) and OpenAI can co-exist with legacy software providers—revenue stacking through AWS and other infrastructure layers complicates the picture.
  • Product and engineering tools are above the fold and benefiting from AI productivity gains, while non-engineering categories (HR, support, sales) face existential headcount risks as automation eliminates non-creative work.
  • Consulting and implementation services will likely grow rather than shrink, as enterprises need sophisticated help deploying AI systems; traditional SI spending on SAP/Salesforce installations is ripe for automation, but AI adoption itself creates new consulting demand.
  • Customer support is a fragmented market with 14+ companies raising $100M+ in the last two years, making it extremely crowded; Sierra's growth shows the category is real, but picking winners is difficult given competition from Atlassian, Salesforce, and others.
  • Harvey's $11B valuation at 190M ARR (50x forward revenue) requires sustained 300%+ growth for 3-4 years to justify the valuation, betting on expansion from $2K per lawyer into $5-10K+ per lawyer by automating associate work rather than just augmenting it.
  • Public companies face structural disadvantages versus private AI companies that can spend freely without EPS pressure, but founder-led public software firms like Atlassian can compete by investing heavily in R&D, improving forecasting, and executing disciplined capital allocation.
  • Super Bowl ads are a sign of capital abundance, not necessarily market maturity; when private companies have unconstrained capital budgets, brand spending becomes viable, but this changes once profitability becomes the metric—ego-driven spending is typical of frothy markets.

Recommendations (7)

Claude
Claude uses

"We use Anthropic a lot. It's one of our biggest models. We use multiple models... we use a lot of Gemini, a lot of Anthropic."

Mike Cannon Brooks · ▶ 2:43

Gemini
Gemini uses

"We use a lot of Gemini, a lot of Anthropic. We have a whole bunch of Llama and Mistral running and stuff internally and a bunch of OpenAI."

Mike Cannon Brooks · ▶ 2:57

Llama
Llama uses

"We have a whole bunch of Llama and Mistral running and stuff internally and a bunch of OpenAI."

Mike Cannon Brooks · ▶ 2:59

Mistral
Mistral uses

"We have a whole bunch of Llama and Mistral running and stuff internally and a bunch of OpenAI."

Mike Cannon Brooks · ▶ 2:59

OpenAI
OpenAI uses

"We have a whole bunch of Llama and Mistral running and stuff internally and a bunch of OpenAI."

Mike Cannon Brooks · ▶ 3:02

AWS
AWS uses

"Don't forget we pay AWS and then AWS pay Anthropic. So if someone spends a million on the Atlassian platform... that goes to AWS revenue."

Mike Cannon Brooks · ▶ 3:12

Agentforce
Agentforce uses

"We're like one of the few organizations of our size uses Agentforce. We unleashed Agentforce on all of our leads."

Jason Lemkin · ▶ 45:00

Mentioned (13)

Google Docs "I don't know Google Docs and Confluence are somewhat competitive the two ways you can write a pie..." ▶ 4:10
Cursor
Cursor "You look at Cursor, it's doing a billion dollars in revenue, but it's pretty much the same billio..." ▶ 6:07
Jira
Jira "There were a lot of partner agencies that were helping doing big deployments right of Jira and Co..." ▶ 9:04
Replit
Replit "I was at Replit the other day at 300 million in revenue, 300 people. It's probably like the old d..." ▶ 14:01
Harvey
Harvey "Harvey, we mentioned that raised in December raised $200 million at an 11 billion price." ▶ 26:33
Claude Code
Claude Code "Claude Code produced a plugin and what 13 plugins and one of the plugins was the legal plugin." ▶ 27:16
Sierra
Sierra "We saw Sierra's 50 million plus quarter taking to over 150 million there are now." ▶ 46:06
ChatGPT
ChatGPT "I'm one of the seven people that uses Claude instead of ChatGPT as a consumer app." ▶ 1:04:24
Super Bowl
Super Bowl "Super Bowl ads are priced that way because that's what people pay. It's an efficient market in Su..." ▶ 1:08:36
Doritos
Doritos "Doritos pay 8 million bucks cuz it sells a bunch of Doritos. It's a good investment." ▶ 1:08:42
Wix "For some businesses like Wix, I would argue it's a totally sensible investment." ▶ 1:08:53
Microsoft
Microsoft "Microsoft has to do it. Everybody has to do it. Right? Capital allocation is not easy." ▶ 1:09:54
Adobe
Adobe "You've had Adobe's and Microsoft be public for an awful long time." ▶ 1:11:03