Tony Fadell: How to build real taste (and why AI makes it matter more)

Lenny's Podcast with Tony Fadell · · 1 hr 35 min

Tony Fadell, designer of the iPod, iPhone, and Nest, talks with Lenny about why taste and product discipline matter more as AI makes building easier.

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The gist

  1. When no data exists for a new category, a small taste-maker team must make opinion-based calls, then test and iterate to refine them.
  2. Fadell says marketing and storytelling are product decisions: Steve Jobs refined the iPhone's narrative over 10,000 times before launch.

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