$100M ARR Founder: The Next Big AI Opportunity
Greg Isenberg talks with Jon Noronha, co-founder and chief product officer of Gamma, about agent harnesses: how Gamma built one, how it tests models, and where vertical harness startup opportunities remain.
The gist
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Noronha explains a harness as the tools an agent uses; one Gamma deck can take about 20 models and 200 calls, including visual QA.
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Since taste is hard to score with evals, Gamma leans on A/B testing; a fast mode that skipped steps lost on satisfaction and paid conversion.
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Noronha says 98% of Gamma's gains come from prompts, not fine-tuning, and he launched eight tests of Claude Haiku 5.5 the morning after release.
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He wishes for a Slack harness that learns his voice and drafts replies, and uses Muse and Instinct because they make personal agents easy.
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Noronha calls image models underhyped and sees room for vertical tools, like a couch visualizer that checks real measurements, especially for professional users.
"Because we have a super diverse user base who are all different, we actually rely a lot more on A/B testing. We will actually run two models or two prompts at very big scale and measure across that wide user base what's actually performing better, because that captures subject..."
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See all on the A/B Testing page"This is something that's gotten easier than ever. Like, absolutely, Claude is my data scientist. And so I would say now everybody on our team is constantly armed with very fine-grained analysis of failure modes and opportunities."
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See all on the Claude page"If I could build a harness for anything, it would be Slack. And I'm a little disappointed that Slack themselves have not built the harness for Slack... I have sent approximately a billion Slack messages. That should be all you need to know how I'm going to reply."
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See all on the Slack page"I'm going to wait a few months for them to just make it easy for me. And now I got Muse and Instinct blowing up my phone because they made it easy for me."
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See all on the Muse page"I'm going to wait a few months for them to just make it easy for me. And now I got Muse and Instinct blowing up my phone because they made it easy for me."
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"Because we have a super diverse user base who are all different, we actually rely a lot more on A/B testing. We will actually run two models or two prompts at very big scale and..."
"This is something that's gotten easier than ever. Like, absolutely, Claude is my data scientist. And so I would say now everybody on our team is constantly armed with very fine-..."
"If I could build a harness for anything, it would be Slack. And I'm a little disappointed that Slack themselves have not built the harness for Slack... I have sent approximately..."
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