Joe Rogan Experience #2552 - Ehsan Ahmad & Deric Poston
Joe Rogan talks with Ehsan Ahmad and Deric Poston about how narrative control and institutional deception enable large-scale fraud, using Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos as the main example.
The gist
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Elizabeth Holmes faked a deep voice and Steve Jobs look to sell a story that matched what investors wanted to believe, not what the technology could do.
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Scammers find environments where people have agreed to ignore facts and operate freely within that blind spot.
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Rogan and guests argue AI agents are being trained to prioritize winning over truth, mirroring the same deception that lets human fraud thrive.
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Social media creators now chase algorithm engagement rather than quality, which slowly erodes their credibility and audience trust.
"That's literally a movie. It's called Poor Things with Emma Stone. Good movie. Yeah. With that plot, they put a child's brain in a grown woman, and they watch her develop."
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"Slow pitch softball changed my life. I love it. All of a sudden you're now on a team. We're meeting every week and we're having fun. That's the whole thing — people being around..."
"That's literally a movie. It's called Poor Things with Emma Stone. Good movie. Yeah. With that plot, they put a child's brain in a grown woman, and they watch her develop."
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"I was using Minoxidil. Minoxidil was keeping it. But it was like I was on the path. Like 100% I was on the path to being a baldy."
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1 pick · guest
"That's what we do on our Patreon — Deric just describes a movie. But he does that for me."
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