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Thrive Raises New $10B Fund | OpenAI Buys OpenClaw | Stripe at $140B: Is Adyen Wildly Undervalued?

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Hosts Harry Stebbings and Jason Lemkin discuss the seismic shifts reshaping tech investing in early 2026, analyzing Anthropic's $30 billion funding round at a $380 billion valuation, Thrive's $10 billion mega-fund, and the strategic positioning of Stripe versus Adyen in the payments space. The episode explores how capital has abandoned traditional SaaS in favor of AI companies, the existential threats facing legacy software, and the explosive developer movement around autonomous agents following OpenAI's acquisition of OpenClaw creator Peter Steinberger.

Key takeaways
  • Anthropic's unprecedented 10x year-over-year revenue growth for three consecutive years has never been seen before at this scale, even comparing to early Microsoft and Google, though unlike those companies it remains unprofitable.
  • The "gravity well" effect is pulling all venture capital and public market attention exclusively toward AI companies, leaving traditional SaaS businesses trading at depressed valuations despite solid 10-20% growth rates.
  • Enterprise customers are willing AI into existence regardless of proven ROI because CEOs view AI as a mandatory strategic bet, similar to previous waves around cloud adoption and digital transformation.
  • Autonomous agent capabilities have reached an inflection point, with tools like Monaco already booking six-figure deals autonomously and Open's upcoming Replit v4 building features overnight, creating both massive opportunity and security risks.
  • The OpenClaw acquisition by OpenAI represents a shift in how incumbents view edge-case safety concerns—the developer community's enthusiasm for the technology forced both OpenAI and Anthropic to acknowledge that constraining innovation around agents was untenable.
  • Public software companies face an impossible choice: either remain profitable at lower growth rates (like Adyen at 20% growth, 50% operating margins) or invest heavily in AI transformation while managing earnings, with investors currently rewarding growth over profitability.
  • Figma missed a $300-400 million revenue opportunity in AI-assisted design/coding by failing to build competitive generative features before tools like Replit and Lovable captured the market, illustrating how quickly AI disruption can outpace incumbent product development.

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Mentioned (25)

Claude
Claude "Claude code from 1 to 2.5 billion at the end of the year to today" ▶ 4:36
Anthropic
Anthropic "Anthropic raises $30 billion at a $380 billion post money" ▶ 1:13
Thrive Capital
Thrive Capital "Thrive closes on a mega $10 billion fund" ▶ 0:20
OpenClaw
OpenClaw "OpenClaw creator joins OpenAI" ▶ 0:17
ChatGPT
ChatGPT "Most of OpenAI's revenues comes from ChatGPT on the consumer side" ▶ 10:12
Replit
Replit "Replit and lovable should not be owning product prototyping. In the next release of Replit when y..." ▶ 33:45
Lovable
Lovable "Lovable and Replit shouldn't have gotten here, guys. We own this space" ▶ 35:31
Shopify
Shopify "I don't think there is a credible near-end story that replaces a shopping website and a payments ..." ▶ 22:06
Stripe
Stripe "Stripe being worth $140 billion and Adyen being worth a third of that" ▶ 50:40
Adyen
Adyen "Is Adyen wildly undervalued? Adyen is a wildly profitable company with almost 50% operating margins" ▶ 52:47
SpaceX "the two model companies SpaceX stripe and does and databicks again when you deal with hundred bil..." ▶ 1:10:37
Databricks
Databricks "Thrive has done an amazing stock picking job of backing Stripe, of backing Databricks, of backing..." ▶ 1:11:06
OpenAI
OpenAI "Thrive has done an amazing stock picking job of backing Stripe, of backing Databricks, of backing..." ▶ 1:11:10
Fidelity
Fidelity "someone could buy Fidelity small cap growth and get actually in this case midcap and large cap gr..." ▶ 1:11:27
Lightspeed
Lightspeed "are Lightspeed and GC going to come out with 20? I mean again as we've said you thinking of it as..." ▶ 1:10:12
Workday
Workday "it is interesting that Aneel had to go back in like eight months to run Workday. It's a pretty fa..." ▶ 1:17:31
UiPath
UiPath "Do you think Aneel wanted to go back as the solo CEO just as much as Daniel wanted to go back to ..." ▶ 1:17:52
Salesforce
Salesforce "This is why you should bet on Salesforce of of I mean listen most most public B2B companies are f..." ▶ 1:19:24
11 Labs
11 Labs "I released a show with the head of sales at 11 Labs. Insanely popular show. I mean, I can't even ..." ▶ 1:23:56
HubSpot
HubSpot "maybe I HubSpot and GitLab are the only candidates I can think of where there's just not enough b..." ▶ 1:26:04
Twilio
Twilio "another candidate who obviously won't happen but it was who was great guest Jeff Lawson who was a..." ▶ 1:26:31
Dropbox "I Drew from Dropbox and Aaron from Box just unwavering resilient persistent" ▶ 1:27:37
Box "I Drew from Dropbox and Aaron from Box just unwavering resilient persistent" ▶ 1:27:38
Yelp
Yelp "I was just looking at Yelp this week. I mean, Yelp's down to $1.22 billion valuation for I mean J..." ▶ 1:28:25
Monday.com
Monday.com "Monday at 3.8 billion. Is that a buy or not?" ▶ 1:29:01