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Is America Sliding Toward Authoritarianism? — with Julia Angwin & Ami Fields-Meyer

Jul 16

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"The Anthropic-OpenAI war that's happening right now — people are moving over to Anthropic because it feels better. It's the same thing. People are getting largely the same thing, but it feels better. Give people the opportunity to defect, to do it in a low-stakes way, and give them just some alternative — they're much more likely to do it."

From: Is America Sliding Toward Authoritarianism? — with Julia Angwin & Ami Fields-Meyer • ▶ 39:51 • Jul 16, 2026

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